So are we LIMA or are we “bALaNceD”?

[tenderloin]

@autumn1123 Hmmm I see a lot of comments about "I used an e-collar and it was like I had a different dog in a week!" and then discussions about the fallout of aversives, which is incredibly helpful for a newbie. Again, I would much rather someone have all of that information than finding it elsewhere without that nuance. There are thousands of places on the internet to find one-sided dog training advice and very few where we can have that kind of discussion.

 

[autumn1123]

@tenderloin I feel like it would be more helpful to have searchable threads of or be able to ask, “I’m at the end of my rope and want to get an e-collar, thoughts?” And have the overwhelming response be about the potential fallout, than a confusing mixture and back-and-forth. Plus, there’s always the risk of comments falling through the cracks when no one is around to call out bad information.

 

[christopherb]

@imagebeastmarkbeast They're banning this sub because it's not against aversives enough. Even though it's entirely against them, exactly as much as the other subs.

 

[aspiegrace]

@luketbachelder

Many other subs are starting to ban mentions of r/reactivedogs because of the rules and treatment regarding aversives here.

First I've heard of that. Which subs?

 

[christopherb]

@aspiegrace Dogs, Dogtraining, and puppy101.

 

[eront]

@christopherb As a note, puppy101 does not remove mentions of r/reactivedogs on our sub.

I have removed one and only because the person also added that they weren't allowed to promote aversive tools on puppy but could on reactivedogs.

 

[tiernon]

@eront That's good to know

 

[tenderloin]

@christopherb Huh, an r/dogs "ban" (whatever that even means) seems super hypocritical, considering they have the same stance: https://www.reddit.com/r/dogs/wiki/index#wiki_least_intrusive.2C_minimally_aversive_.28lima.29

 

[eront]

@tenderloin They enforce it by removing recommendations of aversive equipment.

 

[tenderloin]

@eront I meant a "ban" on mentioning this sub.

 

[joshuawithmartin]

@christopherb ooh r/dogs is an interesting one given they have quite a similar stance and many more of those users over there use tools I think.

 

[christopherb]

@joshuawithmartin I gather that the overlapping mods essentially made that decision, not that their mod team independently decided to join the boycott. Those three subreddits have a high degree of mod overlap so a handful of mods effectively control all three.

Edit: I forgot one user with a high degree of overlap isn't a mod of multiple after all.

 

[autumn1123]

@christopherb Um? There's one mod for r/puppy101 who is also a mod for r/dogs and I don't even know if they're active. That's it. That's the extent of the overlap.

 

[christopherb]

@autumn1123 I forgot @eront doesn't overlap as well since they comment so much on r/Dogtraining and are a distinguished user. @seek2bboldwitness is definitely active on both, they're the one who crashed and burned the disastrous April Fool's "prank" on r/dogs. You "don't know if they're active" when their most recent posts are mod posts on both subs? Takes two seconds to check.

I don't believe that there's no influence between the subs from the overlapping mods, though.

 

[eront]

@christopherb But, our policies between puppy101 and dogs aren't the same.

We literally don't remove the comments on r/puppy101 unless the user is specifically referring discussion to recommend aversive equipment.

 

[christopherb]

@eront I'm confused because @gdssldier, a mod of r/Dogtraining, is publicly saying you guys agreed to be part of this whole thing:

https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/upkc2z/a_user_asks_for_advice_in_dealing_with_their

This makes it sound like you aligned on a decision and are all taking the same stance.

So you're saying you're not "actively unlinking" after all?