@maysa Here are better pictures in daylight. I suppose you could call them mats, I’m certainly not planning on combing them out. They’re a bit more like a puli or Komondor though in that they’re not going to form a pelt or get any bigger and they don’t pull on her skin because they’re lighter than cords. Her last haircut was in July, they may be mats, but they’re stable. Her curls will still come off individually when I give her a haircut in a month or two and I can get a 7-blade through, I don’t need a 10-blade. Poodles are somewhat similar because they’re also a water retriever but I think their coat can sometimes be softer. But lagottos are bred to retrieve waterfowl and hunt truffles and grow a water-protective, maintenance-free coat. They can go 9 months without maintenance whereas when people do that with most doodles, it’s potentially harmful to their skin. The problem with lagotto owners is when they mix and match maintenance styles. Their coat either needs frequent grooming to keep it long, including combing it out off and on, or it needs the no maintenance method of growing it out and shaving it down.