orlando_wcbc
New member
@gineke But the other guy was saying that the tools are fundamentally aversives and that's correct. Sure, you can create a niche use where they're not, but it's misleading at best to try to categorize them differently on the basis of that niche. Here's another example: I could say I use e-collars and it turns out that I just toss them and my dog fetches them for me. At that point, I have no business saying I "use e-collars" because it's outside the scope of what everyone else thinks you're saying, you know?