jessicacharlie
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NOTE, PLEASE READ THE EDITS
*I won't be deleting the edits, because my intelectual journey may be the same as someone else's. The conclusions, questions. And answers might help someone who is in my boat. *
Background:
I recently bought a Newfoundland as a family pet, and I'm planning on breeding them.
I live in Newfoundland (the province in Canada), where the breed is from, however the breed is dying in my area. Breeders have retired decades ago, and the closest breeders (BYB or Registered) and literally thousands of Miles/Km Away.
Having a Newf has been my dream since I was a small child, culturally the breed is extremely important to my island's history and identity. I picked up my pup on the opposite end of the country while visiting family and its been the best decision of my life.
Since bringing my pup home, I cant go on a walk without having a dozen conversations with people either wishing they had one, admiring him, or expressing childhood memories of when they had one growing up.
The Plan:
Understanding the common pitfalls to validity of claims, and inaccuracy of DNA testing even if I went ahead with one. I think I have a decent claim of my dog being purebred (his sire and dame were purebred and from CKC registered lines, however I have no paperwork and will likely not be able to get any)
My Pup (Carl) is 11 months now, and I am in the process of adopting a dame as a pet and potentially breeding stock. (she is 8 week old puppy I have not yet received)
\**Before too many alarm bells go off in everyone's collective heads here is my plan thus far**\**
1). Upon receipt of my new pup, full health checks at my vet, and letting them know my plan to have at least one litter.
2). Regular dog owner activities until the Dame is between 1.5-2 years old (with advice from my vet) keeping my pups separate during heat cycles until of age.
3). Have a litter, with Vet support.
4). Market puppies PURELY as healthy family pets, full health screenings, with non breeding agreements. (neuter at 18-24 months as recommended.) *it was hard to site breed specific spay/neuter information, but this reddit comment has some *
5). If enough interest is shown locally, the plan splits. and would be one of the following options.
a). Cease breeding and have my pets spayed/neutered.
b). Continue Breeding (with consult from my vet (particularly about litter health, and gauging market interest so no pup goes without a home).
c). Have my pets spayed/neutered, reinvest with AKA or CKC registered dogs.
finally the point of this post.
From experienced and educated minds;
What questions should I be asking myself?
What are common pitfalls I haven't acknowledged?
What are some unknown costs or logistics I should consider?
What advice do you have, or things you wish you knew getting into this?
How can I make the best of the situation outlines above, so that I'm acting as ethically as possible?
First Edit:
I think I may be comfortable being a BYB for the first litter, as long as I can act as ethically as possible while doing so.
Going forward with complex health checks and screenings before and after litter (first for Sire/dame, then pups) ensuring the safety of my animals and veting future owners.
My reasoning is as follows: the appetite for registered dogs in my area might not be high (not verified), though demand for the breed is.
I think the main thing I lose out on is the support of the registries.
I'll have to weigh everything out in my own head, Going forward with a (as ethically sound as possable) BYB situation or a kennel registry breeding business.
Either way, my mind is not fully made up one way or the other. I appreciate the comments and opinions, especially the "hard to hear truths" that's exactly why I made this post, so thank you.
Second edit:
Okay, so I will not be going ahead with breeding non registered dogs collective sigh of relief for everyone here I'm sure
I'd like to thank everyone for their comments and advice on how to proceed, and best actions going forward.
There is a lot to learn here, and I'm sure I'll make another post eventually as an update.
IMPORTANT
As a reddit specific note. Why downvote me to hell? Wouldn't you rather someone come here to ask these questions instead of just doing what they want?
I'm here for knowledge and advice, not to be chastised or attacked via some silly "internet points" system.
If you disagree, or dislike my train of thought JUST SAY SO. I don't think I've done anything down vote worthy by trying to get more information, and expressing questions or doubts. And I think I've tried my best to be fair in hearing concerns (and more importantly listening to them).
*Third and final edit. *
I'm thankful for a lot of the replies I've received. Most of them I gave stickers to on at least one of their comments.
I won't be getting a second dog at this time. I will however be chatting with newfoundland breeders in Canada, and get all further advice from them.
As a final note to this community. Most of you seem very knowledgeable, and are willing to help and explain your businesses/hobbies/ love for dogs and breeding them.
There is a wealth of knowledge here and for the most part a lot of people were stern but kind, which I appreciate.
Others seem to be power tripping, you know who you are.
Also, why with all the downvotes? Even on this original post? I'm literally coming to a community of experts, asking a question, trying to be reasonable, and dispel my ignorance. Not get shot down and insulted.
I'm likely not going to ask for advice here again.
NOTE, PLEASE READ THE EDITS
*I won't be deleting the edits, because my intelectual journey may be the same as someone else's. The conclusions, questions. And answers might help someone who is in my boat. *
Background:
I recently bought a Newfoundland as a family pet, and I'm planning on breeding them.
I live in Newfoundland (the province in Canada), where the breed is from, however the breed is dying in my area. Breeders have retired decades ago, and the closest breeders (BYB or Registered) and literally thousands of Miles/Km Away.
Having a Newf has been my dream since I was a small child, culturally the breed is extremely important to my island's history and identity. I picked up my pup on the opposite end of the country while visiting family and its been the best decision of my life.
Since bringing my pup home, I cant go on a walk without having a dozen conversations with people either wishing they had one, admiring him, or expressing childhood memories of when they had one growing up.
The Plan:
Understanding the common pitfalls to validity of claims, and inaccuracy of DNA testing even if I went ahead with one. I think I have a decent claim of my dog being purebred (his sire and dame were purebred and from CKC registered lines, however I have no paperwork and will likely not be able to get any)
My Pup (Carl) is 11 months now, and I am in the process of adopting a dame as a pet and potentially breeding stock. (she is 8 week old puppy I have not yet received)
\**Before too many alarm bells go off in everyone's collective heads here is my plan thus far**\**
1). Upon receipt of my new pup, full health checks at my vet, and letting them know my plan to have at least one litter.
2). Regular dog owner activities until the Dame is between 1.5-2 years old (with advice from my vet) keeping my pups separate during heat cycles until of age.
3). Have a litter, with Vet support.
4). Market puppies PURELY as healthy family pets, full health screenings, with non breeding agreements. (neuter at 18-24 months as recommended.) *it was hard to site breed specific spay/neuter information, but this reddit comment has some *
5). If enough interest is shown locally, the plan splits. and would be one of the following options.
a). Cease breeding and have my pets spayed/neutered.
b). Continue Breeding (with consult from my vet (particularly about litter health, and gauging market interest so no pup goes without a home).
c). Have my pets spayed/neutered, reinvest with AKA or CKC registered dogs.
finally the point of this post.
From experienced and educated minds;
What questions should I be asking myself?
What are common pitfalls I haven't acknowledged?
What are some unknown costs or logistics I should consider?
What advice do you have, or things you wish you knew getting into this?
How can I make the best of the situation outlines above, so that I'm acting as ethically as possible?
First Edit:
I think I may be comfortable being a BYB for the first litter, as long as I can act as ethically as possible while doing so.
Going forward with complex health checks and screenings before and after litter (first for Sire/dame, then pups) ensuring the safety of my animals and veting future owners.
My reasoning is as follows: the appetite for registered dogs in my area might not be high (not verified), though demand for the breed is.
I think the main thing I lose out on is the support of the registries.
I'll have to weigh everything out in my own head, Going forward with a (as ethically sound as possable) BYB situation or a kennel registry breeding business.
Either way, my mind is not fully made up one way or the other. I appreciate the comments and opinions, especially the "hard to hear truths" that's exactly why I made this post, so thank you.
Second edit:
Okay, so I will not be going ahead with breeding non registered dogs collective sigh of relief for everyone here I'm sure
I'd like to thank everyone for their comments and advice on how to proceed, and best actions going forward.
There is a lot to learn here, and I'm sure I'll make another post eventually as an update.
IMPORTANT
As a reddit specific note. Why downvote me to hell? Wouldn't you rather someone come here to ask these questions instead of just doing what they want?
I'm here for knowledge and advice, not to be chastised or attacked via some silly "internet points" system.
If you disagree, or dislike my train of thought JUST SAY SO. I don't think I've done anything down vote worthy by trying to get more information, and expressing questions or doubts. And I think I've tried my best to be fair in hearing concerns (and more importantly listening to them).
*Third and final edit. *
I'm thankful for a lot of the replies I've received. Most of them I gave stickers to on at least one of their comments.
I won't be getting a second dog at this time. I will however be chatting with newfoundland breeders in Canada, and get all further advice from them.
As a final note to this community. Most of you seem very knowledgeable, and are willing to help and explain your businesses/hobbies/ love for dogs and breeding them.
There is a wealth of knowledge here and for the most part a lot of people were stern but kind, which I appreciate.
Others seem to be power tripping, you know who you are.
Also, why with all the downvotes? Even on this original post? I'm literally coming to a community of experts, asking a question, trying to be reasonable, and dispel my ignorance. Not get shot down and insulted.
I'm likely not going to ask for advice here again.