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@annaliseh To me, the best description of the purpose of FF came from Pat Nolan. The point of FF is to get the dog to understand that the retrieve is for the handler, not the dog. Most retrievers are hard wired to chase and pick up something. It’s the return and give and are the issue.

@davecb I know dogs that have completed a retriever SH without an e collar. But they weren’t trained 100% R+. You can try to shape train a blind all you want, but at some point the dog won’t sit on a whistle because the factor or bird scent is overwhelming or won’t take a cast for the same...

@johnc101 Clicker training begins by using classical conditioning by associating the NEUTRAL click with food. Over time the previously NEUTRAL click elicits the same “happy brain” response that food does. This is the same process that conditions dogs to react to a word or words as a reward...

@annaliseh People did train hunting retrievers before ecollars. They used buckshot, whips, and cattle prods.

@ashiedu I try to stay in my lane. Unless folks ask for advice, I don’t give it. Family members can deal with their pets, children, spouses in any way they want. Until it crosses abuse. You aren’t describing a situation where they are abusing their dog. But you are describing a dangerous...

@cj Never. Never even heard of it.

@randy777 Try 10. If that doesn’t work, do 20. This advice absolutely assumes you have correctly collar conditioned your dog. By this I mean that your dog knows that responding to the command allows escape from collar pressure. So, “come” no response, nick, “come” and the dog comes. The...