Extremely loud Howl-Bark / barking issues

@gamerguy99 I think I know the bark you’re talking about. My girl will let out a single yip bark at the top of her lungs. She’ll do it as a warning (like: someone’s approaching!) or a greeting (you were gone a long time!) or in annoyance (my dinner is late!).

I have had some success training speak then hush. When she does it say the command speak and treat until she catches on speak = bark. Then teach hush by saying it like 10 seconds later when she’s silent and treat. Practice speak-hush quickly a lot. Then try just hush. I use it as a reminder. I know she loves to let out this bark every time she runs out my back door. So I lightly tap her nose and remind “hush”. It has reduced the barking.

Something else you can do is teach a command for lowering her bark volume. Mine is very vocal so I’ve been rewarding “quiet” when she is barking or grumbling at an inside voice level.

A last resort for us is time out. Incessant loud barking because she’s having a bad day? She’s going behind a closed door and ignored until she’s been quiet for 20 minutes.
@turneradamj This is great!! However, my Heeler BACK TALKS 😂 it sincerely sounds like he’s explaining himself. So if he barks, not even the howl maybe just a small one, I don’t really care as much as the howl so I do “quiet.” He then will start “rawr rawr rawr rawr rawwwwr. Rawr rawrrawr” like he’s explaining why he did it. They are so intelligent truly. That’s really good advice though for the potential time out. Shadow hates getting in trouble. The minute he does he is paw to chest trying to apologize
@gamerguy99 😂 that’s hilarious. We joke they are toddlers.

Time out has been pretty effective for us! We are not the most disciplined at disciplining ours but the days we do her barking greatly improves for a few days after.

Also, the first few times we did time out she did not stop barking for nearly an hour so be prepared to power through!
@gamerguy99 Counter conditioning the sounds would be ideal.

Record the sounds that trigger the response. Play sound and then reward. I always reward the ground and then toss a treat a bit away to 'reset'
Doing multiple sessions as many time as possible over extended times works best.

It teaches the dog that 'sound' = treat, so they hear it and come to you for reward vs go screaming away lol.

It's not odd he barks when you come home if he's out with your roommate but is quiet when he is alone.

Dogs bark to alert PERSON something is there. He's just letting home person know there something.

In the moment I get up, EVERY single time, approach the dog. Give our 'all good' command and lead him to his bed. I leave a short leash on so I'm not grabbing at his collar.

I do not yell or correct dogs for barking, I simple get up, investigate, let them know it's safe and lead them to their calm spot.

Imo it's unrealistic to ask a dog to never bark but is completely possible to get a dog to stop when asked and/or to only bark once/twice.
@gamerguy99 Aww, this sounds a lot like my girl! She usually only barks to express her joy and excitement at seeing a favorite human or getting to do something extra fun. Unfortunately that bark can shatter glass.

There's a lot of really good ideas in this thread - two other things I've done that have helped. I've taught her "tiny woof" by catching her when she's making little humph noises (like the talking back times :D), marking it, and then treating. I've then been able to associate her seeing something interesting with a "tiny woof" instead of her shrieks. I'd say we're at about 80% success rate at tiny woofing at deer now.

For the times she's so overjoyed to see someone, I have been redirecting that adrenaline and energy onto a tug toy and basically play so that me and the toy are more exciting than who's shown up. It's still a work in progress, but has cut down the constant barking to maybe one quick shotgun blast.
@gamerguy99 Maybe try this. Make sure to have a bunch of high value treats. Milk bone marrow treats work well for us. Take him to the door, step outside, talk to him from outside the door, pretend unlock and open the door, and immediately give the treat. Don’t give them time to think past, “the door opened”, so they have no time to even think bark and instead quickly associate it with delicious num num. Do this 8+ times. Next have them sit farther from the door, come in and walk to them with the treat. If they move towards the door or bark, no treat. Move them closer if they’re struggling. Once they’ve got that down, position them farther and farther from the door. Next, slowing increase the time you wait before coming in. 30s, 60s, 90s, 3 min, 5 min, 10min, etc. keep working on this. Finally keep treats with you, for when you come home like you would normally. Good luck.
@gamerguy99 He’s doing exactly what he sees you do, when someone comes home. He’s talking to the person.

there’s a device that emits a frequency only your dog can hear. It’s a bark deterrent, in that it only activates when it detects a bark. The sound is uncomfortable for the dog and it does work. You have to use it in intervals because the dog could get used to it.

Also start working on scheduled arrivals. Have your roommate call you when she’s about a half mile away. Put your dog in a sit and stay. When he hears the car, he’ll want to stand up and bark. This is when you give him an “uh-uh” sound and make him remain seated. Any sound is met with a scolding. Once he has successfully stayed seated through the entire arrival, he gets lots of treats and pets.

You can start this training with your roommate walking to the car, and coming back.
@gamerguy99 If he doesn't bark in this crate, there you already have your answer: train him to go into his crate whenever your roommate comes home, lie down in there and get a treat/chew as a reward for his quietness.

Enlist the help of your roommate for the training: figure out what about the process of her coming home is triggering to your dog. There are likely multiple triggers: the sound of footsteps, the jangling of the keys, the opening of the door etc. Train the triggers separately, so that the dog doesn't howl at any. Then stack them together by adding them one at a time. Have your roommate repeatedly "come home" in a training session with more and more triggers added.

Lazy or not, ACDs are still ACDs. For an apartment dog, unfortunately you do have to learn to train them, otherwise they can be a nuisance. We also live in an apartment (with a high energy ACD in this case), so we get it. Go for R+ training only, because aversive methods are very hard to get right, and if you get it wrong it is very difficult to fix the fallout -- more so than the original problem you were trying to fix.
@gamerguy99 Do not resort to correction. It doesn't work, and it cause problems.

If it's alert barking, the recommended way is to make a gesture to thank them for their service, and investigate with them, then praise them for being quiet, since you don't wish to train them completely out of barking -- the alert barking may be useful one day, you know. The point is to teach them there is no need to bark nonstop. But it sounds like yours is barking for some other reason. Search youtube for Mccann dogs, there is an episode about barking -- barking is not just one symptom: it is multiple, since there are different reasons for barking, and hence different methods to deal with each. Look up kikopup and I trust she's got episodes about barking as well.

All in all, nothing replaces training. Don't place your hope in devices. Place it in yourself.
lol what happened to my hater in the comment saying they aren’t here to pander me and that my children probably run in restaurants too. I was really hoping to reply because I’m infertile and have no children and also am very curious how whatever it is they were responding to indicates my dog is not trained 😂 deleted the comment before I got to it dang it!!