Any good puppy training manuals, starting from day one!

[jacke71]

Hi hi,

I’m picking up a little Rottweiler puppers in a few weeks, 8-9 weeks old, I have a Rottweiler who is 6.5 years old and she’s a good girl, I’ve been doing extra training with her to try get her up to scratch when puppers arrives, and she’s had heaps of extra dog socialising etc so I’ve done all I can there.

Now I’m trying to build a plan (I guess you call it), I’ve watched every video, I don’t read book as I can’t retain knowledge that way with my ADHD but I wouldn’t mind getting books to reference when needed.

So basically what I’m asking, I’m into the “balanced” training I guess you call it, I want the dog to be able to be controlled on an e collar eventually (lowest stim, only for that hands free leash essentially), I love they Tom Davis guy I think he’s great and seems to know what he’s doing and we will be doing obedience training with a real trainer etc. but I want to spend the next 3 weeks building a plan, so week one we do a, b, c. Week 2 is d and e. Etc etc.

Has anyone written up, seen or purchased anything like this before? I don’t want anything crazy, maybe along the lines of the Cane Corso on YouTube named “Bruce Wayne”, just a good dog that I can without fear take anywhere, cos I love my dogs and take them everywhere, and when they aren’t perfect little angels people complain .

Thanks!

P.S. the first few weeks are socialise, socialise more, and socialise even more! But obviously only with safe dogs and no nasty bugs (vaccines not done yet).

 

[utvolford]

@jacke71 Look up Fenrir Perfect Puppy Course. Great foundations and great principles. Worked well with our Dobie. It’s broken into video modules by weeks and months. I highly recommend it.

 

[jacke71]

@utvolford Thanks, I have looked at it I just wasn’t exactly sure how it worked.

So you pay for it and can just look at the “modules” whenever forever?

 

[utvolford]

@jacke71 Yes they are accessible forever. I even think they’ve updated it since I did it and I’ll go back to it for any future pups

 

[mdwhite]

@jacke71 Fellow person with ADHD here, I found the “Art of Raising a Puppy” book by the Monks of New Skete to be a decent read.

I too have a hard time retaining information from books and having prolonged attention dedicated towards them, so this was a book I read on and off for about a year. I bookmarked the parts that I felt would be important to go back and read if need be. I didn’t agree with everything in the book (ex. hitting the crate if your puppy whines, not using a crate the first night etc.), but the section about breeders and puppy development was really cool. The training section was also pretty interesting, so I’d recommend checking it out.

 

[jacke71]

@mdwhite Thanks for that, it is frustrating for us, throw in aphantasia and can’t visualise anything either so memory recall is hard, as your first point of recall for memories is the visual component, or so I’m told, I wouldn’t know! I always laugh at people saying “he doesn’t look the same in the movie as he did in the book”, what? He doesn’t look like text?

I’m with you on the hitting the puppy crate, something I have learnt with parrots in recent years is to read/learn/understand the body language, prevent a bite before it happens is always better than correcting the bite. In a situation where a pup might whine in a crate, they are just communicating, it’s completely natural for a baby of any kind to call for it’s parent, I would instead let it know I’m there and it doesn’t need to worry.

Anyway, I never try to shut out ideas because someone says something I disagree with, they might have other ideas I do agree with, things I have not contemplated, thought patterns that are not natural to me, actually find it fascinating to watch people and try to understand them the same way I do with my animals , so I’ll check out this book as well.

 

[ukbeliever]

@jacke71 Here ya go! Nate Schoemer is an incredible trainer and he’s made some videos on puppy raising just for you.

 

[jacke71]

@ukbeliever This video looks fantastic, particularly the crate next to the bed idea, and making training fun, I’ll watch the rest after work today.

You should see my Eclectus parrot go nuts at training time, he’ll let me know he wants to train by getting right up in my face and making a click (like the clicker I use) noise, he loves it.

 

[eront]

@jacke71 All trainers worth their soul are force free for the first six months because your dog needs to learn foundations without corrections because any corrections without learning is immoral and against even the philosophy of compulsion training chains.

There's no real manual because puppies aren't linear. I personally like the book Culture Clash for dog training basics.

 

[jacke71]

@eront I would imagine a lot of trainers have a “manual”, in terms of outlining the training steps and when to aim for completion and moving onto the next training item, outlining expected length of time to complete each step, with the expected age, etc. it’s the basics of a training program.

Not sure what you mean by force free, I imagine some form of force is applied when a puppy learns what to do on a leash, if they try to run and you don’t let go, that’s force? Or do you mean no leash training for 6 months? That doesn’t seem right.

 

[eront]

@jacke71 You know damn well what I mean by force-free, let's act like adults here.

And, no, there's no manual. It's more an as-needed basis.

 

[jacke71]

@eront Sorry you are upset by my question

 

[eront]

@jacke71 Not by the question, the fact it's not asked in good faith.

 

[jacke71]

@eront Sorry, no idea what your on about, I can’t see how you can train a puppy without “force”, it would run around like mad, you have to contain it with, I guess I would say with the “least force” necessary?

Anyway it doesn’t matter.

I also completely disagree the the statement “there is no manual”, how can there not be some form of manual? Service dog, military dog, etc. they would 100% have some form of manual, why would other trainers not? How do they reference their work, how do they have guidelines, how do they even document and track progress?

Someone that has taught children BJJ and Wrestling, without structure in the training it’s chaos, that’s all I’m trying to get here, structure, which can also be translated as “a manual”.

So if you disagree with that and have nothing useful to ad, just say nothing at all, problem solved and you won’t get upset.

 

[kevin184]

@jacke71 Fenzi’s got this good one (Thought we’d finalize this thread on a good note )

 

[jacke71]

@kevin184 This is a good manual, thanks.