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@missjood I am out there the whole time with them. It's more a matter of our older dog is usually waiting to go as well, and I can't leave them alone when I have to start work or am working durong the week and its already been 20 minutes of them wrestling or eating grass. They also will go...

@quentinrb I do praise them every time they go, as well as just praising one when only one goes and not the other. And give them treats and they are both very food motivated. I have actually tested one of them for a UTI because originally, the older of the two didn't go so much after going...

@loujohn I guess I forgot to add and fixed it. I am out watching them. They go to the bathroom, get pets and treats for going, come in and go on the floor.

@eblemons103 I fixed my post for going out with them. I do stand out the whole time, which is part of the reason we are limited on time sometimes but I can let them out often. As I usually am watching them while I work and listen to their ques to want to go out. They will go outside, I'll praise...

Update So now another issue, which may be why I'm cleaning up so much, and these two are still going in the house. It turns out our older dog (not that old just older than them) has also started going on the puppy pads again. She was a rescue that was not potty trained at a year and a half old...