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@quirkycanuck Okay understand just give the pleather a try. Very strong and bite proof. They use it for horse harnesses., It is slippery when wet is the only draw back I found. Can be washed.

@jessemini14 Get a vest and why is he on a 30 foot leash? Is it a fexi, ? where control is not that great. 6 maybe 8 foot made of pleather artificial leather.