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@jowi That's in the "gentle" leader category for me. Where R+ is so desperate to avoid traditional aversives that they just make up weirder ones. Choke collar isn't ok but a choke collar on the nose is. E collar isn't ok, but restraining your dog by the hind legs is. And with those "gentle"...

@jowi So like a hobble? Or some weird auto lasso the dog has to run around with?