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@ericm Here's another. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8463679/ It's hard to see things when they are disappearing. The function of punishment is that it weakens (maybe extinguishes) behavior and potential behaviors, and while you might notice if it's damaging a behavior you've...

@ericm I don't know how to use Reddit most effectively but go to google scholar and search for yourself. I read canine studies all the time. Try searching "impacts of punishment versus reinforcement on canine behavior. I certainly have anecdotal evidence but a study with 100 dogs is legitimate...

@ericm Here's a review of a bunch of studies. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/313898614_The_Effects_of_Using_Aversive_Training_Methods_in_Dogs_-_A_Review

@imagebeastmarkbeast We need more research but current research shows reinforcement training yields more lasting more desirable results.

@leathamoll Seems like you're being defensive and easily shamed. I'm only sharing research and facts.

@leathamoll Does open mean not open to research about the consequences of using any dog training tools? By open, you mean, censor information? Here's a helpful paper, using distance as negative reinforcement. https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.979.6350&rep=rep1&type=pdf

@imagebeastmarkbeast I find aversives are dangerous because dogs learn to hide what they really feel. Aversives can create an illusion of quick results but eventually you might forget that the behavior is only suppressed, and it pops back up when you least expect it! When you train your dog to...

@iluvjesu But beware of trainers who use pain or intimidation to suppress behaviors. When I see dogs trained by "balanced" trainers, too often the dog is doing what they're told while hiding their emotions. When you see quick results, go back in a year and see how the dog is doing then? Quick...