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@mew That's why it's important for responsible dog trainers to educated people who don't really know the difference. There's a wide spectrum of balanced trainers and not all of them are quite the same.

@gineke If it wasn't aversive, your dog wouldn't pay attention to it and the collar would be useless. Aversives don't have to equal strong punishment. The level you're using with your dog is nagging, which is fine. But still aversive. It would be the same as if someone was tapping on your...

@gineke Doesn't matter, it's still an aversive, no matter how you justify it. I use all tools available, so I'm not judging. I'm also not sugar coating it. They don't follow the commands with the e-collar because it's enjoyable. They follow them because they have been conditioned to the...

@gineke What does it matter, though? If you call yourself something else, you're still a balanced trainer. And the prong and e-collars are aversives. They're used for punishment, which is the long and short of it. But it's up to you to show them or explain to them why you're not like the Dog...